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	<title>Comments on: And So It Begins&#8230; The Disinteroperability of the Web (Or Just a Harmless Bug&#8230;?)</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://blog.ouseful.info/2012/05/23/and-so-it-begins-the-disinteroperability-of-the-web-or-just-a-harmless-bug/#comment-22348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hirst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@martin I suspect there are elements of broken and not thought through in this... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@martin I suspect there are elements of broken and not thought through in this&#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://blog.ouseful.info/2012/05/23/and-so-it-begins-the-disinteroperability-of-the-web-or-just-a-harmless-bug/#comment-22346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hirst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jefurry So does any of this represent an evolution of the Microsoft Live Clipboard idea [ http://www.liveclipboard.org/ ]? I haven&#039;t really been keeping up with browser based copy/paste operations for the last few years...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jefurry So does any of this represent an evolution of the Microsoft Live Clipboard idea [ <a href="http://www.liveclipboard.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.liveclipboard.org/</a> ]? I haven&#8217;t really been keeping up with browser based copy/paste operations for the last few years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mhawksey</title>
		<link>http://blog.ouseful.info/2012/05/23/and-so-it-begins-the-disinteroperability-of-the-web-or-just-a-harmless-bug/#comment-22341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mhawksey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 10:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s even more surprising that having installed the app a) it doesn&#039;t appear to improve copy/paste e.g. I still can&#039;t copy a chart from Spreadsheet to Doc (this app appears to be to enable offline use) and b) it doesn&#039;t appear in my chrome extension settings chrome://chrome/extensions/ so the only way I can remove it is via the chrome store]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s even more surprising that having installed the app a) it doesn&#8217;t appear to improve copy/paste e.g. I still can&#8217;t copy a chart from Spreadsheet to Doc (this app appears to be to enable offline use) and b) it doesn&#8217;t appear in my chrome extension settings chrome://chrome/extensions/ so the only way I can remove it is via the chrome store</p>
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		<title>By: lornamcampbell</title>
		<link>http://blog.ouseful.info/2012/05/23/and-so-it-begins-the-disinteroperability-of-the-web-or-just-a-harmless-bug/#comment-22340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lornamcampbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 10:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s sneaky! I hadn&#039;t noticed this &quot;update&quot; as I only ever use the keyboard commands.  It is rather odd though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s sneaky! I hadn&#8217;t noticed this &#8220;update&#8221; as I only ever use the keyboard commands.  It is rather odd though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery Lay (@JeFurry)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffery Lay (@JeFurry)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 10:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess would be that command-C simply copies (using your host OS&#039;s built-in routines) the selected HTML source from the screen. Pasting that back in is equivalent (as far as Google Docs is concerned) to typing it afresh. This is limited in that it can&#039;t always copy non-inline metadata, or off-screen content.

However, if you use part of the Google Docs UI to trigger the copy/paste operations, then the javascript code which runs the UI has to have access to the host OS&#039;s clipboard, which it wouldn&#039;t normally have. Otherwise it would have to use its own non-OS clipboard, and you would only be able to paste back into Google Docs and not into other applications - and then if you pasted, it wouldn&#039;t be immediately obvious whether it should paste the local Google Docs clipboard or the OS clipboard. Confusing.

They could have implemented a workaround such as duplicating the content selection into a visible user-selectable area, selecting it (which you can do in javascript), then triggering a client-side copy operation (ditto) to get the data on to the system clipboard. I&#039;ve done this on some hacky code in the past. But it&#039;s ugly as heck, so instead they&#039;ve gone for a slightly less ugly option: requiring a browser plugin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess would be that command-C simply copies (using your host OS&#8217;s built-in routines) the selected HTML source from the screen. Pasting that back in is equivalent (as far as Google Docs is concerned) to typing it afresh. This is limited in that it can&#8217;t always copy non-inline metadata, or off-screen content.</p>
<p>However, if you use part of the Google Docs UI to trigger the copy/paste operations, then the javascript code which runs the UI has to have access to the host OS&#8217;s clipboard, which it wouldn&#8217;t normally have. Otherwise it would have to use its own non-OS clipboard, and you would only be able to paste back into Google Docs and not into other applications &#8211; and then if you pasted, it wouldn&#8217;t be immediately obvious whether it should paste the local Google Docs clipboard or the OS clipboard. Confusing.</p>
<p>They could have implemented a workaround such as duplicating the content selection into a visible user-selectable area, selecting it (which you can do in javascript), then triggering a client-side copy operation (ditto) to get the data on to the system clipboard. I&#8217;ve done this on some hacky code in the past. But it&#8217;s ugly as heck, so instead they&#8217;ve gone for a slightly less ugly option: requiring a browser plugin.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hanretty</title>
		<link>http://blog.ouseful.info/2012/05/23/and-so-it-begins-the-disinteroperability-of-the-web-or-just-a-harmless-bug/#comment-22338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hanretty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m using Chromium 18.0.1025.168 (Developer Build 134367 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10, and I get a slightly different error message, telling me that those operations are unavailable from the Edit menu, but can still be accessed with keyboard shortcuts (which are then listed).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using Chromium 18.0.1025.168 (Developer Build 134367 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10, and I get a slightly different error message, telling me that those operations are unavailable from the Edit menu, but can still be accessed with keyboard shortcuts (which are then listed).</p>
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